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RE: How Obama Got Elected Part 2: FOX Viewers most inte... - 12/2/2008 10:57:36 PM
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TMeeks
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I used to provide the coverage, for C-Span, of the National Press Club luncheons. So, I have a REALLY soft spot for Brian Lamb and C-Span. It's a great organization run be a great man.
But, it pains me that due to the fact that the calls from viewers were overwhelmingly conservative, they instituted a 'choke network' to make the calls seem evenly distributed. The fact is that conservatives outnumber liberals by a WIDE margin in viewing intellectually honest political programming, such as C-Span, which otherwise is unfiltered.
Most liberals are liberal because they are simply clueless to the real issues and get their news from late night TV comedians rather than highly informative primary sources like C-Span. So, I'm not surprised that Fox News viewers were also more astute.
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RE: How Obama Got Elected Part 2: FOX Viewers most inte... - 12/3/2008 11:30:18 AM
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ORIGINAL: TMeeks
I used to provide the coverage, for C-Span, of the National Press Club luncheons. So, I have a REALLY soft spot for Brian Lamb and C-Span. It's a great organization run be a great man.
But, it pains me that due to the fact that the calls from viewers were overwhelmingly conservative, they instituted a 'choke network' to make the calls seem evenly distributed. The fact is that conservatives outnumber liberals by a WIDE margin in viewing intellectually honest political programming, such as C-Span, which otherwise is unfiltered.
Most liberals are liberal because they are simply clueless to the real issues and get their news from late night TV comedians rather than highly informative primary sources like C-Span. So, I'm not surprised that Fox News viewers were also more astute.
All this continues to validate the need to use multiple sources for information (if one actually wants to get the whole picture on an issue). Unfortunately, most voters do not make the effort. Most decide how they feel and gravitate to outlets that validate what they believe. That's true for liberals and conservatives.
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RE: How Obama Got Elected Part 2: FOX Viewers most inte... - 12/3/2008 12:37:12 PM
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Most liberals are liberal because they are simply clueless to the real issues and get their news from late night TV comedians rather than highly informative primary sources like C-Span. So, I'm not surprised that Fox News viewers were also more astute.
All this continues to validate the need to use multiple sources for information (if one actually wants to get the whole picture on an issue). Unfortunately, most voters do not make the effort. Most decide how they feel and gravitate to outlets that validate what they believe. That's true for liberals and conservatives.
CNN is my favourite not because it's the best but it is more in depth than AP or Reuters and it is updated the most. I read and listen to all of the above except for Talk Radio. When I did listen to Talk Radio the impact it had on me was to actually go and look up what was said which started getting me into a myriad of sources. I do agree on the whole issue and multiple sources.
C-Span I haven't watched in years but I got into it in high school during the time of the Ollie North Hearings. It was (and probably still is) a good network.
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RE: How Obama Got Elected Part 2: FOX Viewers most inte... - 12/3/2008 1:15:23 PM
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ORIGINAL: TMeeks
I used to provide the coverage, for C-Span, of the National Press Club luncheons. So, I have a REALLY soft spot for Brian Lamb and C-Span. It's a great organization run be a great man.
But, it pains me that due to the fact that the calls from viewers were overwhelmingly conservative, they instituted a 'choke network' to make the calls seem evenly distributed. The fact is that conservatives outnumber liberals by a WIDE margin in viewing intellectually honest political programming, such as C-Span, which otherwise is unfiltered.
Most liberals are liberal because they are simply clueless to the real issues and get their news from late night TV comedians rather than highly informative primary sources like C-Span. So, I'm not surprised that Fox News viewers were also more astute.
All this continues to validate the need to use multiple sources for information (if one actually wants to get the whole picture on an issue). Unfortunately, most voters do not make the effort. Most decide how they feel and gravitate to outlets that validate what they believe. That's true for liberals and conservatives.
Yes, very solid points. But the data seems to overwhelmingly show that those who only watch mainstream media outlets (i.e. liberal biased ones) are nowhere nearly as informed (about the actual facts/two sides of the issues) as those who watch Fox News or listen to conservative talk radio.
Very interesting.
In my house we watch Fox News - but my wife will tune into 'Morning Joe' on MSNBC and we do read some very liberal publications. Mostly for their side of the issue and also as a form of masochism.
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RE: How Obama Got Elected Part 2: FOX Viewers most inte... - 12/3/2008 2:14:32 PM
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ORIGINAL: earthless
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ORIGINAL: cow451
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ORIGINAL: TMeeks
I used to provide the coverage, for C-Span, of the National Press Club luncheons. So, I have a REALLY soft spot for Brian Lamb and C-Span. It's a great organization run be a great man.
But, it pains me that due to the fact that the calls from viewers were overwhelmingly conservative, they instituted a 'choke network' to make the calls seem evenly distributed. The fact is that conservatives outnumber liberals by a WIDE margin in viewing intellectually honest political programming, such as C-Span, which otherwise is unfiltered.
Most liberals are liberal because they are simply clueless to the real issues and get their news from late night TV comedians rather than highly informative primary sources like C-Span. So, I'm not surprised that Fox News viewers were also more astute.
All this continues to validate the need to use multiple sources for information (if one actually wants to get the whole picture on an issue). Unfortunately, most voters do not make the effort. Most decide how they feel and gravitate to outlets that validate what they believe. That's true for liberals and conservatives.
Yes, very solid points. But the data seems to overwhelmingly show that those who only watch mainstream media outlets (i.e. liberal biased ones) are nowhere nearly as informed (about the actual facts/two sides of the issues) as those who watch Fox News or listen to conservative talk radio.
Very interesting.
In my house we watch Fox News - but my wife will tune into 'Morning Joe' on MSNBC and we do read some very liberal publications. Mostly for their side of the issue and also as a form of masochism.
What data? Haven't seen anything that proves anything like that.
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RE: How Obama Got Elected Part 2: FOX Viewers most inte... - 12/4/2008 11:17:53 AM
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Yes, very solid points. But the data seems to overwhelmingly show that those who only watch mainstream media outlets (i.e. liberal biased ones) are nowhere nearly as informed (about the actual facts/two sides of the issues) as those who watch Fox News or listen to conservative talk radio.
Very interesting.
In my house we watch Fox News - but my wife will tune into 'Morning Joe' on MSNBC and we do read some very liberal publications. Mostly for their side of the issue and also as a form of masochism.
What data? Haven't seen anything that proves anything like that.
The Pew Center report (http://people-press.org/reports/pdf/444.pdf - pages 42-43 - from August 2008) backs up part of the claim. That talk radio consumers are more knowledgeable - but conservative talk radio comes in well behind NPR. Fox watchers actually come in behind CNN on this survey (slightly) - but that's any watching of Fox vs. CNN; Hannity & Colmes watchers do really well (and come in way ahead of Larry King watchers).
One really interesting point is that Both Hannity & Comes and Rush Limbaugh have audiences barely above the national average for college education - but those audiences do significantly better (more than 2x) than average on the political knowledge test. SO, H&C and Rush do a phenomenal job educating their listeners vs. a really poor job by CNN, Fox, and media in general.
Best indicator of being highly knowledgeable - reading The Atlantic or New Yorker, hardly bastions of republican thought. Best indicator overall? Being a college graduate - not political affiliation or media selection.
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RE: How Obama Got Elected Part 2: FOX Viewers most inte... - 12/4/2008 11:39:03 AM
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A person's world view {which exposes the bible view} determines
what they watch and whether they ignore, deny, etc. when "facts"
are presented.
The "ignorance ratio" is disturbing but reveals why the liberals want
these people to vote regardless and the dumber the better as they
only vote according to mass misinformation.
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RE: How Obama Got Elected Part 2: FOX Viewers most inte... - 12/4/2008 4:40:11 PM
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cow451
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Yes, very solid points. But the data seems to overwhelmingly show that those who only watch mainstream media outlets (i.e. liberal biased ones) are nowhere nearly as informed (about the actual facts/two sides of the issues) as those who watch Fox News or listen to conservative talk radio.
Very interesting.
In my house we watch Fox News - but my wife will tune into 'Morning Joe' on MSNBC and we do read some very liberal publications. Mostly for their side of the issue and also as a form of masochism.
What data? Haven't seen anything that proves anything like that.
The Pew Center report (http://people-press.org/reports/pdf/444.pdf - pages 42-43 - from August 2008) backs up part of the claim. That talk radio consumers are more knowledgeable - but conservative talk radio comes in well behind NPR. Fox watchers actually come in behind CNN on this survey (slightly) - but that's any watching of Fox vs. CNN; Hannity & Colmes watchers do really well (and come in way ahead of Larry King watchers).
One really interesting point is that Both Hannity & Comes and Rush Limbaugh have audiences barely above the national average for college education - but those audiences do significantly better (more than 2x) than average on the political knowledge test. SO, H&C and Rush do a phenomenal job educating their listeners vs. a really poor job by CNN, Fox, and media in general.
Best indicator of being highly knowledgeable - reading The Atlantic or New Yorker, hardly bastions of republican thought. Best indicator overall? Being a college graduate - not political affiliation or media selection.
The problem is assigning cause and effect to a correlation. It merely notes the viewers and listener's preferences and education levels. A lot of people are concluding that the media is "causing" rather than being the result of other factors. College educated people are more likely to be aware of media options and have been exposed to more in-depth reporting and analysis.
So, the Big Three, being primarily entertainment networks are not going to provide as much news information as a "News Network". It's apples and oranges to compare them, IMHO.
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