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RE: Biggest Loser - Season 9 - 3/8/2010 9:48:39 AM
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DeeAnnBailey
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It isn't that I don't understand Michael, I do, and understanding him I don't like him. It's time to 'man up' you can't take 'sneaky backroads' if you truly want to address your problems. You just need to address them. It may be hard but hurting a LOT of people to keep from handling your own issues isn't a good idea.
While I agree that Michael needs to grow up, I think that's easier said than done. Considering they all had the opportunity to go for the power to make the teams what they wanted them to be but didn't and the Black team won the weigh in, just how did Michael hurt people? I think the Brothers treat Michael like he's less than they are. Are they culpable in any of this? Also I'm not so sure of how the BL deals with people's emotional baggage. I know I've seen Jillian & Bob "talk" to people about breaking thru, but I've never seen any professionals in this arena on the BL so how is Michael supposed to "just address them (his problems"? Are his problems supposed to disappear with his weight loss and at the same rate of his weight loss?
Most of the people there have emotional issues- that is part of why they have come the weight they are. And everyone handles emotional issues differently, I do realize that. I also don't know what type of help they get although some folks seem to work through some pretty hefty problems while they are there so I think maybe they get some we don't see but I could be wrong.
But for him to sit there in one sentence claim he didn't try to set the other team up to fail and then say "No way did I think this team would ever lose' is just a lie one direction or the other. The very fact that he put himself on that team rather than take immunity showed he thought the other team would lose. That is where my problem with him is based. He isn't honest. I haven't seen the brothers treat Michael badly but I haven't seen every moment of the show either so I may have missed it. If they have that is wrong too but Michael didn't just become dishonest because the brothers treated him badly.
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RE: Biggest Loser - Season 9 - 3/9/2010 1:26:27 PM
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But for him to sit there in one sentence claim he didn't try to set the other team up to fail and then say "No way did I think this team would ever lose' is just a lie one direction or the other. The very fact that he put himself on that team rather than take immunity showed he thought the other team would lose. That is where my problem with him is based. He isn't honest. I haven't seen the brothers treat Michael badly but I haven't seen every moment of the show either so I may have missed it. If they have that is wrong too but Michael didn't just become dishonest because the brothers treated him badly.
Actually it’s not a lie. One team is going to win and one team is going to lose. Those are the rules and Michael didn’t make those rules. What he did was win power as to how those rules would possibly affect him & Miggy. His statement of, “No way did I think this team would ever lose” was in reference to Miggy I believe not himself or even the other team. He thought he had placed his ally/friend in a safe place. It didn’t work out that way. Taking immunity would have nullified why he wanted the power in first place - to give himself an advantage to get further in the game. That’s not dishonest. That’s the game if someone chooses to play it that way, and he does. Right or wrong it is still a competition.
We’re going to have to agree to disagree.
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RE: Biggest Loser - Season 9 - 3/9/2010 3:09:15 PM
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But for him to sit there in one sentence claim he didn't try to set the other team up to fail and then say "No way did I think this team would ever lose' is just a lie one direction or the other. The very fact that he put himself on that team rather than take immunity showed he thought the other team would lose. That is where my problem with him is based. He isn't honest. I haven't seen the brothers treat Michael badly but I haven't seen every moment of the show either so I may have missed it. If they have that is wrong too but Michael didn't just become dishonest because the brothers treated him badly.
Actually it’s not a lie. One team is going to win and one team is going to lose. Those are the rules and Michael didn’t make those rules. What he did was win power as to how those rules would possibly affect him & Miggy. His statement of, “No way did I think this team would ever lose” was in reference to Miggy I believe not himself or even the other team. He thought he had placed his ally/friend in a safe place. It didn’t work out that way. Taking immunity would have nullified why he wanted the power in first place - to give himself an advantage to get further in the game. That’s not dishonest. That’s the game if someone chooses to play it that way, and he does. Right or wrong it is still a competition.
We’re going to have to agree to disagree.
I wonder why he didn't give Miggy immunity?
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RE: Biggest Loser - Season 9 - 3/9/2010 5:26:25 PM
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If he was figuring that his team would win, if he gave Miggy the immunity she would have ended up on the other team. If she is/was his only ally, he would have wanted her on his team. At least that is the only thing I can think of.
All the way around he was only thinking of himself, and that's what bothered me about it. There really wasn't even a tiny bit of consideration for anyone else in his planning, just how it affected him. That's one way to play the game, but not a very pretty one, imo.
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RE: Biggest Loser - Season 9 - 3/9/2010 5:27:30 PM
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Well, at least he admitted to it. But yeah, I agree. If I were playing the game I would want a little bit of a challenge.
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RE: Biggest Loser - Season 9 - 3/9/2010 6:08:46 PM
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Would you really want it to be a bit of challenge if you were playing or would you want to stack the deck so you could win? I don't really have an answer but there is a lot of money and more time on the ranch at stake. I am not saying it is right but it would be tempting.
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RE: Biggest Loser - Season 9 - 3/10/2010 7:58:51 AM
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I felt like the whole segment with Sam forgetting his lunch was all a Subway advertisement. Did you notice Stephanie was eating at the food bank and ate again at Subway? They should be able to do this show without commercials since they are written into the show.
I have worked at the food bank in Atlanta as a volunteer and enjoyed seeing what they were doing for work. I think this was a good idea since they will be working when they get home, however, at home they have other responsibilities too, so it wasn't exactly the same.
Cheryl seemed to have a very good attitude and I thought she looked great in her after shots.
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RE: Biggest Loser - Season 9 - 3/10/2010 8:02:07 AM
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Would you really want it to be a bit of challenge if you were playing or would you want to stack the deck so you could win? I don't really have an answer but there is a lot of money and more time on the ranch at stake. I am not saying it is right but it would be tempting.
Yeah, I would want a harder push - it worked for the black team that week. However, Michael also made some enemies, which is going to hurt him in later rounds, imo.
Yeah weeble, the Subway commercial was just too cheesy. Last night when Bob took O'Neal and Sunshine into the kitchen I turned to DH and said "here comes another commercial".
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RE: Biggest Loser - Season 9 - 3/10/2010 8:31:56 AM
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But for him to sit there in one sentence claim he didn't try to set the other team up to fail and then say "No way did I think this team would ever lose' is just a lie one direction or the other. The very fact that he put himself on that team rather than take immunity showed he thought the other team would lose. That is where my problem with him is based. He isn't honest. I haven't seen the brothers treat Michael badly but I haven't seen every moment of the show either so I may have missed it. If they have that is wrong too but Michael didn't just become dishonest because the brothers treated him badly.
Actually it’s not a lie. One team is going to win and one team is going to lose. Those are the rules and Michael didn’t make those rules. What he did was win power as to how those rules would possibly affect him & Miggy. His statement of, “No way did I think this team would ever lose” was in reference to Miggy I believe not himself or even the other team. He thought he had placed his ally/friend in a safe place. It didn’t work out that way. Taking immunity would have nullified why he wanted the power in first place - to give himself an advantage to get further in the game. That’s not dishonest. That’s the game if someone chooses to play it that way, and he does. Right or wrong it is still a competition.
We’re going to have to agree to disagree.
You are right, we will have to agree to disagree because I don't believe his statement was totally in regard to Miggy I believe for a minute he was being honest- he thought he stacked the deck where the black team would lose and he would split up Sunshine and her dad as well as the brothers and it backfired.
I can't read his mind but his actions speak to his mindset IMHO.
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RE: Biggest Loser - Season 9 - 3/12/2010 11:02:12 AM
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hi :-)
So i just watched this week's BL last night (thank you God for TiVo).. and well... all I have to ask is.. what is it with the guy on the black team (Sam).. with the earrings and the nail polish..... I hope he doesn't "come out" on the show or something!???
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RE: Biggest Loser - Season 9 - 3/12/2010 11:04:51 AM
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hi :-)
So i just watched this week's BL last night (thank you God for TiVo).. and well... all I have to ask is.. what is it with the guy on the black team (Sam).. with the earrings and the nail polish..... I hope he doesn't "come out" on the show or something!???
The nail polish he did when he joined the black team. He let the girls do it.
And I believe he and Stephanie have some kind of special friendship going on. I've see Steph's fb page and her profile pic is of the two of them together.
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RE: Biggest Loser - Season 9 - 3/12/2010 11:09:07 AM
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yeah I knew the nail polish t hing from the week before.. but the earrings this week was just too much... didn't know about the special friendship with Stephanie... I thought the whole I forgot my lunch lets go get a subway was just extra advertising
I do like Stephanie... I hope she lasts...
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RE: Biggest Loser - Season 9 - 3/12/2010 3:34:24 PM
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Melissa admitted to eating a pancake and not watching her calories as much as she needed to. I am starting to root for Ashley. I think she's going to kick some butt.
Thanks for this info. I felt kinda bad for being so critical toward her, but now I see she had done something. I've been pulling for Ashley (oops I mean Stephanie) for some time. Those 3 pounds had me worried. I'm glad she made it. Hopefully she's made the alliances she needed to.
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Would you really want it to be a bit of challenge if you were playing or would you want to stack the deck so you could win? I don't really have an answer but there is a lot of money and more time on the ranch at stake. I am not saying it is right but it would be tempting.
hmmmm....So within the context of The Biggest Loser and there being $250K on the table along with the BL Ranch & coaches, Some of you are saying:
You wouldn't take the power and give yourself an advantage? You'd rather leave that power in someone elses hands?
Taking the power says you're selfish & greedy and not wise. So it's wrong to take the power?
When competing if it's not about you then who is it about? You should look out for your fellow competitors who are competing against you for the same prizes?
People can answer...or not. These are just some of the questions that ran across my mind when I was reading some of the responses...I'm just wondering....
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RE: Biggest Loser - Season 9 - 3/12/2010 3:43:03 PM
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Melissa admitted to eating a pancake and not watching her calories as much as she needed to. I am starting to root for Ashley. I think she's going to kick some butt.
Thanks for this info. I felt kinda bad for being so critical toward her, but now I see she had done something. I've been pulling for Ashley for some time. Those 3 pounds had me worried. I'm glad she made it. Hopefully she's made the alliances she needed to.
HERE is the clip I was speaking of.
As far as the whole advantage/power...I mentioned it before. It's one thing to think of yourself and do as Michael did. However, Michael created a lot of enemies when he used the power the way he did. If he does not recover, then he should be very concerned the next time he goes below the yellow line.
And after seeing the challenge, there's no way I would have willingly eaten that many calories just to gain that power. I mean, it's a game...but it's also a game about eating healthy and not wasting it over a power play.
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RE: Biggest Loser - Season 9 - 3/12/2010 3:55:01 PM
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I am not really a very competitive person, so I don't think I would do what Michael did. It would seem to take something away from the "game" though, kwim? Kind of like hunting on a game preserve or something, I don't know... Can't say without any possible doubt that I wouldn't let the $ or the ranch sway me, but it would be fairly unlikely. LOL, I guess that is one reason I'd never want to be on a show like that.
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RE: Biggest Loser - Season 9 - 3/12/2010 4:37:55 PM
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Okay...you guys keep referencing Michael, but I'm not talking about Michael here. I've already agreed to disagree concerining him. I'm talking about YOU being one of the contestants on The Biggest Loser and would you or wouldn't you take the power and why or why not?
Funbetty - So you would just leave your fate in somebody elses hands? Or you just don't want the consequences of using said power?
hotsaucygma - Fair enough...I get what you're saying but it is a contest and the "game" is part of it me thinks.
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RE: Biggest Loser - Season 9 - 3/12/2010 4:43:58 PM
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Funbetty - So you would just leave your fate in somebody elses hands? Or you just don't want the consequences of using said power?
Yes I would leave my fate in someone's hands if it meant eating (potentially) thousands of calories to do so. In that challenge Michael ate over 2000 calories, and Drea ate close to 1000? (I don't remember). I wouldn't want to wreck my progress for that decision. If I won the challenge by other means (ie. physical challenge), of course I would use said power...but keeping in mind this "game" portion of the show is not just about having the power to control who does what...it's also about not making enemies in the process (who will have the power to vote you off at some point).
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RE: Biggest Loser - Season 9 - 3/12/2010 5:06:49 PM
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That was one of the hardest challenges I think I've seen on BL. I think they thought more people were going to go for it. I thought more people were going to go for it. Apparently not, but I would like to know their reasoning.
I keep getting the impression from this board that the "power" is a negatve, but I don't think it has to be. I think it can be used to bargain with people not to vote for you by putting them with the Coach & team they want to be with. I would have gone after said "power" if for no other reason than to keep it out of the hands of someone who wanted to put me at a disadvantage. It's a contest and with that kind of money people are something else. I wouldn't be idle.
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RE: Biggest Loser - Season 9 - 3/17/2010 12:36:23 PM
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WOWOW does Sherry look good! I wasn't surprised with her departure...she really would have held the team back as far as weight loss percentage imo. However, I was hoping that the black team would beat the blue team in the weigh-in.
Does anyone know how long before they take the "teams" away and compete individually?
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RE: Biggest Loser - Season 9 - 3/17/2010 2:39:18 PM
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WOWOW does Sherry look good! I wasn't surprised with her departure...she really would have held the team back as far as weight loss percentage imo. However, I was hoping that the black team would beat the blue team in the weigh-in.
Does anyone know how long before they take the "teams" away and compete individually?
I don't know but I hope soon, like next week maybe!!! LOL
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RE: Biggest Loser - Season 9 - 3/17/2010 3:21:06 PM
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WOWOW does Sherry look good! Does anyone know how long before they take the "teams" away and compete individually?
I agree Sherry did look good. I'm happy for her! I don't know when they go to the individual game. For some reason I don't remember there being this many people going home from former seasons, but then again I don't retain seasons really well.
I know it must be stressful at times, but some of the emotional stuff is a bit over the top and uncomfortable for me. What is the Dad or one of the Brothers going to do if (more likely when) their loved one gets voted out?
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